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Thread Detection: Option A vs B Deep Dive
Detailed comparison of entity-based vs edge-based threading with auto-detection strategies
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๐งต Thread Detection: Option A vs B Deep Dive
Option A: Thread as First-Class Entity
โ Pros
| Rich Metadata | Title, trigger reason, resolution notes, status, metrics all live on the thread |
| Easy Queries | SELECT * FROM threads WHERE flowId = X AND status = 'resolved' - show all rabbit holes |
| Aggregation | "This week: 3 threads, 15 turns, 2.1M tokens on detours" - easy to compute |
| UI Grouping | Timeline can collapse thread kontasks under a single "Mobile Padding Bug" header |
| Learning | Can tag threads with root cause ("CSS cascade", "missing auth") for pattern recognition |
| Status Tracking | Thread can be "ongoing", "resolved", "abandoned" - clear lifecycle |
โ Cons
| New Entity | Another table, more schema, more CRUD endpoints, more MCP tools |
| Creation Friction | Who creates the thread? When? Automatic detection needs to be good |
| Boundary Ambiguity | When does a thread end? Resolving the bug? Or when you get back to main work? |
| Over-Engineering? | Might be solving a visibility problem with schema when UI grouping could suffice |
Option B: Edge-Based Threading
โ Pros
| No New Entity | Uses existing graph infrastructure - just add edge type continues or spawned_by |
| Simpler Start | Can ship quickly, iterate on detection logic without schema migrations |
| Flexible | Threads emerge from edge traversal - can recompute groupings differently later |
| Gradual | Can promote to full entity later if edges prove insufficient |
โ Cons
| No Thread Identity | Can't name the thread, can't add "trigger" or "resolution" notes |
| Harder Queries | "Show me all threads" requires graph traversal to find connected components |
| Metrics Scattered | Total turns/tokens for a thread = sum across all kontasks in chain (computed, not stored) |
| No Status | Can't mark a thread as "resolved" - it's just a chain of kontasks |
๐ Auto-Detection Strategies
Signal 1: Keyword Detection in Prompts/Titles
// Detect "still broken", "didn't work", "regression", "try again" const THREAD_TRIGGER_PATTERNS = [ /still (broken|not working|failing)/i, /didn't (work|fix|help)/i, /regression/i, /try (again|different|another)/i, /same (issue|problem|error)/i, /why is.*(still|again)/i, ]; // If prompt matches AND references recent kontask topic โ thread continuation
Signal 2: Same File/Component Within Time Window
// If last 3 kontasks all touched the same file(s) function detectFileCluster(recentKontasks) { const files = recentKontasks.flatMap(k => k.filesModified); const counts = countOccurrences(files); // If same file appears 3+ times in last 5 kontasks โ likely a thread return Object.entries(counts) .filter(([file, count]) => count >= 3); } // Example: layout.ts modified in 4 consecutive kontasks โ thread
Signal 3: Topic Stability + Bug Tags
// Kontask tags: ["bug", "regression", "fix", "broken"] // If 2+ consecutive kontasks have bug-related tags โ thread const BUG_TAGS = ['bug', 'regression', 'fix', 'broken', 'issue']; function isBugSequence(kontasks) { return kontasks.every(k => k.tags.some(t => BUG_TAGS.includes(t)) ); }
Signal 4: Temporal Clustering
// If kontasks are < 30 min apart AND seem related โ thread // "Related" = same topic OR same domain OR same files Kontask A: 08:40 - Input Area Fix Kontask B: 08:52 - Still broken โ 12 min gap, same topic Kontask C: 08:52 - CSS cascade โ 0 min gap, same files Kontask D: 09:02 - Finally fixed โ 10 min gap, same files โ All 4 form a thread
๐ฅ๏ธ Where Detection Happens
| Location | When | How |
|---|---|---|
| Claude (in-turn) | During turn, before creating kontask | Claude sees recent kontasks in context, recognizes "I'm continuing the same problem" โ adds threadId or continues edge |
| Konui (post-turn) | After kontask created, background job | Analyzes recent kontasks, detects clusters using signals above, creates edges or threads |
| User (manual) | In Flow Timeline UI | "Group these 4 kontasks as a thread" - manual override for edge cases |
๐ฏ UI Surfacing
Option A (Entity) - Clean Grouping
โผ ๐งต Mobile Padding Bug (4 turns โข 12 min โข 450K tokens) โ Trigger: Expected quick CSS fix โ โ Resolved: CSS cascade order โ โโ 09:02 CSS Cascade Fix โโ 08:52 Input Area Padding Fix โโ 08:52 Still broken... โโ 08:40 Full-Width Input Fix
Option B (Edges) - Inferred Grouping
โผ Linked kontasks (detected) (4 items) โ โ No title, no trigger, no resolution โ โโ 09:02 CSS Cascade Fix continues โ โโ 08:52 Input Area Padding Fix continues โ โโ 08:52 Still broken... continues โ โโ 08:40 Full-Width Input Fix
๐ก Recommendation
Start with Option B (edge-based) to validate detection signals, then promote to Option A (entity) once you know what metadata matters.
- Phase 1: Add
continuesedge type, have Claude add it when detecting "still broken" patterns - Phase 2: Build UI that traverses
continuesedges to group kontasks - Phase 3: If you find yourself wanting to name threads or track resolution โ graduate to gvThread entity
This lets you iterate on detection logic without committing to schema. The edge data becomes the migration path if you need entities later.
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11 Jan 2026, 9:39 am
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Pros</h4>\n<table style=\"width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;\">\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;width:25%;\">Rich Metadata</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Title, trigger reason, resolution notes, status, metrics all live on the thread</td>\n</tr>\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">Easy Queries</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\"><code>SELECT * FROM threads WHERE flowId = X AND status = 'resolved'</code> - show all rabbit holes</td>\n</tr>\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">Aggregation</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">\"This week: 3 threads, 15 turns, 2.1M tokens on detours\" - easy to compute</td>\n</tr>\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">UI Grouping</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Timeline can collapse thread kontasks under a single \"Mobile Padding Bug\" header</td>\n</tr>\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">Learning</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Can tag threads with root cause (\"CSS cascade\", \"missing auth\") for pattern recognition</td>\n</tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">Status Tracking</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Thread can be \"ongoing\", \"resolved\", \"abandoned\" - clear lifecycle</td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n\n<h4 style=\"color:#f87171;margin:16px 0 12px 0;\">โ Cons</h4>\n<table style=\"width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;\">\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;width:25%;\">New Entity</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Another table, more schema, more CRUD endpoints, more MCP tools</td>\n</tr>\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">Creation Friction</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Who creates the thread? When? Automatic detection needs to be good</td>\n</tr>\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">Boundary Ambiguity</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">When does a thread end? Resolving the bug? Or when you get back to main work?</td>\n</tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">Over-Engineering?</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Might be solving a visibility problem with schema when UI grouping could suffice</td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n</div>\n\n<h3 style=\"color:#3b82f6;margin:16px 0 8px 0;\">Option B: Edge-Based Threading</h3>\n\n<div style=\"background:#2d2d2d;padding:16px;border-radius:6px;margin-bottom:16px;\">\n<h4 style=\"color:#98c379;margin:0 0 12px 0;\">โ
Pros</h4>\n<table style=\"width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;\">\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;width:25%;\">No New Entity</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Uses existing graph infrastructure - just add edge type <code>continues</code> or <code>spawned_by</code></td>\n</tr>\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">Simpler Start</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Can ship quickly, iterate on detection logic without schema migrations</td>\n</tr>\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">Flexible</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Threads emerge from edge traversal - can recompute groupings differently later</td>\n</tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">Gradual</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Can promote to full entity later if edges prove insufficient</td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n\n<h4 style=\"color:#f87171;margin:16px 0 12px 0;\">โ Cons</h4>\n<table style=\"width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;\">\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;width:25%;\">No Thread Identity</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Can't name the thread, can't add \"trigger\" or \"resolution\" notes</td>\n</tr>\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">Harder Queries</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">\"Show me all threads\" requires graph traversal to find connected components</td>\n</tr>\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">Metrics Scattered</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Total turns/tokens for a thread = sum across all kontasks in chain (computed, not stored)</td>\n</tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e5c07b;\">No Status</td>\n<td style=\"padding:8px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Can't mark a thread as \"resolved\" - it's just a chain of kontasks</td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n</div>\n\n<h3 style=\"color:#f97316;margin:16px 0 8px 0;\">๐ Auto-Detection Strategies</h3>\n\n<div style=\"background:#2d2d2d;padding:16px;border-radius:6px;margin-bottom:16px;\">\n<h4 style=\"color:#e5c07b;margin:0 0 12px 0;\">Signal 1: Keyword Detection in Prompts/Titles</h4>\n<pre style=\"background:#252526;padding:12px;border-radius:4px;margin:8px 0;line-height:1.6;overflow-x:auto;\">\n<span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">// Detect \"still broken\", \"didn't work\", \"regression\", \"try again\"</span>\n<span style=\"color:#c678dd;\">const</span> THREAD_TRIGGER_PATTERNS = [\n <span style=\"color:#98c379;\">/still (broken|not working|failing)/i</span>,\n <span style=\"color:#98c379;\">/didn't (work|fix|help)/i</span>,\n <span style=\"color:#98c379;\">/regression/i</span>,\n <span style=\"color:#98c379;\">/try (again|different|another)/i</span>,\n <span style=\"color:#98c379;\">/same (issue|problem|error)/i</span>,\n <span style=\"color:#98c379;\">/why is.*(still|again)/i</span>,\n];\n\n<span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">// If prompt matches AND references recent kontask topic โ thread continuation</span>\n</pre>\n</div>\n\n<div style=\"background:#2d2d2d;padding:16px;border-radius:6px;margin-bottom:16px;\">\n<h4 style=\"color:#e5c07b;margin:0 0 12px 0;\">Signal 2: Same File/Component Within Time Window</h4>\n<pre style=\"background:#252526;padding:12px;border-radius:4px;margin:8px 0;line-height:1.6;overflow-x:auto;\">\n<span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">// If last 3 kontasks all touched the same file(s)</span>\n<span style=\"color:#c678dd;\">function</span> detectFileCluster(recentKontasks) {\n <span style=\"color:#c678dd;\">const</span> files = recentKontasks.flatMap(k => k.filesModified);\n <span style=\"color:#c678dd;\">const</span> counts = countOccurrences(files);\n \n <span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">// If same file appears 3+ times in last 5 kontasks โ likely a thread</span>\n <span style=\"color:#c678dd;\">return</span> Object.entries(counts)\n .filter(([file, count]) => count >= 3);\n}\n\n<span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">// Example: layout.ts modified in 4 consecutive kontasks โ thread</span>\n</pre>\n</div>\n\n<div style=\"background:#2d2d2d;padding:16px;border-radius:6px;margin-bottom:16px;\">\n<h4 style=\"color:#e5c07b;margin:0 0 12px 0;\">Signal 3: Topic Stability + Bug Tags</h4>\n<pre style=\"background:#252526;padding:12px;border-radius:4px;margin:8px 0;line-height:1.6;overflow-x:auto;\">\n<span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">// Kontask tags: [\"bug\", \"regression\", \"fix\", \"broken\"]</span>\n<span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">// If 2+ consecutive kontasks have bug-related tags โ thread</span>\n\n<span style=\"color:#c678dd;\">const</span> BUG_TAGS = [<span style=\"color:#98c379;\">'bug'</span>, <span style=\"color:#98c379;\">'regression'</span>, <span style=\"color:#98c379;\">'fix'</span>, <span style=\"color:#98c379;\">'broken'</span>, <span style=\"color:#98c379;\">'issue'</span>];\n\n<span style=\"color:#c678dd;\">function</span> isBugSequence(kontasks) {\n <span style=\"color:#c678dd;\">return</span> kontasks.every(k => \n k.tags.some(t => BUG_TAGS.includes(t))\n );\n}\n</pre>\n</div>\n\n<div style=\"background:#2d2d2d;padding:16px;border-radius:6px;margin-bottom:16px;\">\n<h4 style=\"color:#e5c07b;margin:0 0 12px 0;\">Signal 4: Temporal Clustering</h4>\n<pre style=\"background:#252526;padding:12px;border-radius:4px;margin:8px 0;line-height:1.6;overflow-x:auto;\">\n<span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">// If kontasks are < 30 min apart AND seem related โ thread</span>\n<span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">// \"Related\" = same topic OR same domain OR same files</span>\n\nKontask A: 08:40 - Input Area Fix\nKontask B: 08:52 - Still broken <span style=\"color:#f97316;\">โ 12 min gap, same topic</span>\nKontask C: 08:52 - CSS cascade <span style=\"color:#f97316;\">โ 0 min gap, same files</span>\nKontask D: 09:02 - Finally fixed <span style=\"color:#f97316;\">โ 10 min gap, same files</span>\n\n<span style=\"color:#22c55e;\">โ All 4 form a thread</span>\n</pre>\n</div>\n\n<h3 style=\"color:#c678dd;margin:16px 0 8px 0;\">๐ฅ๏ธ Where Detection Happens</h3>\n\n<div style=\"background:#2d2d2d;padding:16px;border-radius:6px;margin-bottom:16px;\">\n<table style=\"width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;\">\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;background:#252526;\">\n<th style=\"padding:10px;color:#e5c07b;text-align:left;\">Location</th>\n<th style=\"padding:10px;color:#e5c07b;text-align:left;\">When</th>\n<th style=\"padding:10px;color:#e5c07b;text-align:left;\">How</th>\n</tr>\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:10px;color:#3b82f6;\">Claude (in-turn)</td>\n<td style=\"padding:10px;color:#e0e0e0;\">During turn, before creating kontask</td>\n<td style=\"padding:10px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Claude sees recent kontasks in context, recognizes \"I'm continuing the same problem\" โ adds <code>threadId</code> or <code>continues</code> edge</td>\n</tr>\n<tr style=\"border-bottom:1px solid #3d3d3d;\">\n<td style=\"padding:10px;color:#22c55e;\">Konui (post-turn)</td>\n<td style=\"padding:10px;color:#e0e0e0;\">After kontask created, background job</td>\n<td style=\"padding:10px;color:#e0e0e0;\">Analyzes recent kontasks, detects clusters using signals above, creates edges or threads</td>\n</tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:10px;color:#f97316;\">User (manual)</td>\n<td style=\"padding:10px;color:#e0e0e0;\">In Flow Timeline UI</td>\n<td style=\"padding:10px;color:#e0e0e0;\">\"Group these 4 kontasks as a thread\" - manual override for edge cases</td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n</div>\n\n<h3 style=\"color:#a855f7;margin:16px 0 8px 0;\">๐ฏ UI Surfacing</h3>\n\n<div style=\"background:#2d2d2d;padding:16px;border-radius:6px;margin-bottom:16px;\">\n<h4 style=\"color:#e5c07b;margin:0 0 8px 0;\">Option A (Entity) - Clean Grouping</h4>\n<pre style=\"background:#252526;padding:12px;border-radius:4px;margin:8px 0;line-height:1.6;overflow-x:auto;\">\n<span style=\"color:#f97316;\">โผ ๐งต Mobile Padding Bug</span> <span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">(4 turns โข 12 min โข 450K tokens)</span>\n โ <span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">Trigger: Expected quick CSS fix</span>\n โ <span style=\"color:#22c55e;\">โ Resolved: CSS cascade order</span>\n โ\n โโ 09:02 CSS Cascade Fix\n โโ 08:52 Input Area Padding Fix \n โโ 08:52 Still broken...\n โโ 08:40 Full-Width Input Fix\n</pre>\n\n<h4 style=\"color:#e5c07b;margin:16px 0 8px 0;\">Option B (Edges) - Inferred Grouping</h4>\n<pre style=\"background:#252526;padding:12px;border-radius:4px;margin:8px 0;line-height:1.6;overflow-x:auto;\">\n<span style=\"color:#3b82f6;\">โผ Linked kontasks (detected)</span> <span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">(4 items)</span>\n โ <span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">โ No title, no trigger, no resolution</span>\n โ\n โโ 09:02 CSS Cascade Fix <span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">continues โ</span>\n โโ 08:52 Input Area Padding Fix <span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">continues โ</span>\n โโ 08:52 Still broken... <span style=\"color:#7f848e;\">continues โ</span>\n โโ 08:40 Full-Width Input Fix\n</pre>\n</div>\n\n<h3 style=\"color:#eab308;margin:16px 0 8px 0;\">๐ก Recommendation</h3>\n\n<div style=\"background:#1a2a1a;border:1px solid #22c55e;padding:16px;border-radius:6px;\">\n<p style=\"color:#e0e0e0;margin:0;line-height:1.6;\"><strong style=\"color:#22c55e;\">Start with Option B</strong> (edge-based) to validate detection signals, then <strong style=\"color:#22c55e;\">promote to Option A</strong> (entity) once you know what metadata matters.</p>\n\n<ol style=\"margin:12px 0 0 0;padding-left:20px;line-height:2;\">\n<li><strong>Phase 1:</strong> Add <code>continues</code> edge type, have Claude add it when detecting \"still broken\" patterns</li>\n<li><strong>Phase 2:</strong> Build UI that traverses <code>continues</code> edges to group kontasks</li>\n<li><strong>Phase 3:</strong> If you find yourself wanting to name threads or track resolution โ graduate to gvThread entity</li>\n</ol>\n\n<p style=\"color:#7f848e;margin:12px 0 0 0;font-size:0.9rem;\">This lets you iterate on detection logic without committing to schema. 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